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Being Gloomy and in Need of Help

3527 views. 2011-6-2 22:37

I moved into my new house about one and a half years ago. It was the third time that we had ever moved, from a shared house to a 34 square meters, then to a 79 square meters, and finally to the present one, 135 square meters. It almost cost me all the lifesavings and I still have to pay the bank monthly for the personal housing accumulation fund loan. Everything was going OK with the house and the interior decoration. And we had been enjoying the new life in the new home.

 

However, since last Chinese New Year, I was astonished to find that some of the floor tiles (light yellow) in the sitting room are difficult to clean. And consequently, it looks like some tiles are “white” and some others are “black”. The clean ones feel smooth and therefore are easier to clean while the dirty “black” ones feel kind of rough, and there seem to be tiny grains on the surface. How come? How could it be like this? These tiles have a famous brand name: Marco Polo. (马可波罗) And each piece cost me 188 Yuan!

 

I could have bought much cheaper ones. However, the salesperson said the glossy tiles can be slippery while the matt ones are hard to clean. And this kind is between the two, not too slippery or too difficult to clean. And now how can I take it? Living room is the first thing people see on entering the house. In a sense, it is our “face or image”. People would laugh at me, being fooled by the exaggerated description of the salesman. How embarrassing it would be! You can imagine how disappointed and gloomy I was when I realized how tricky the problem was. It may be immature products of the so-called high technology. It would have been better if I had bought certain common tiles. It is even worse than plain concrete floor!

 

What makes me even more disappointed is the response from the sales agent and the manufacturer. First the sales agent said I had to wait until after the New Year, and then the representative of the factory was too busy to come. Not until several months later did a guy come and take some photos. I waited and waited for the explanation and possible solution to my problem, but no reply came. With no alternative, I had to take the initiative in making calls. Guess what? That guy told me they had examined the pictures and found no evidence that there’re quality problems with the tiles. When asked why some get dirty quicker while others not, he replied it might be either the way we use or the atmosphere. I was totally speechless. Later I contacted the sales agent, who said scientifically speaking there’s no quality problem but that considering the real situation they can pay me some compensation. How ridiculous! If there’s no quality problem, in what name should I receive the compensation? What I really care about is how to solve the problem. I cannot imagine my living in a living room with so many “dirty” tiles!

 

I’m considering seeking help from the local Industrial and Commercial Bureau. However, some friends told me they just mediate and have no real power. I’m also thinking of asking the media to help me. The problem is: Would they come and report such a matter for a common person like me? I feel a bit helpless. Why are we consumers still in such a weak position? It has been more than 30 years since the market economy was introduced into China! Who will stand out and safeguard the interests of us common customers? No matter what, we should make our voice heard, and if necessary we should take some “tough” action.

 

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Reply snowflying 2011-6-4 15:42
rich: the first and third ones were taken when the ceiling lights were on while the other two not. and i didn't use flash. anyway you can see the difference
my friend,it seems that your more attention fucus on your rights striving.as a common consumer,more and more   controversy,more and more after-sale-service questions.i don't deny we should safeguard our  legitimate rights with all sorts of channels,merely,in our country at present status,it would be a long term hard process certainly.whether in part of our goverments,or in   responsibility between manufacturers and sales,or in the  complaints system support,we our individuals always  locate a passive weak fact.merely,i think a beautiful home more important than fairness and justice.because you are a teacher,while i 'm not. only wish your life fillwith happiness.my respected teacher friend.
Reply sunnyv 2011-6-4 19:06
Kind of unhappy to hear that a nice and honest guy like you should suffer such injustice. I know it is not easy to deal with those irresponsible people. Just hope you can do something make those tiles more bearable. The problem is that it not easy to avoid these unfortunate incidents. There are no protection and we don't know what we are getting for our hard earned money.

Hope you will find solution. Stand by you always buddy.
Reply bluebird 2011-6-4 20:29
I sympathize with you. The worst thing isn't the bad-quality tiles, but rather the bad-attitude of the service. Before benefits, everyone of them are warm to you; and before any trouble, they're just passing the buck to each other.
Reply rich 2011-6-5 07:24
bluebird: I sympathize with you. The worst thing isn't the bad-quality tiles, but rather the bad-attitude of the service. Before benefits, everyone of them are
exactly! i know these things are, in some way, unavoidable. and our social economic system is far from satisfactory. but we still need to do something, to make some noises at least. otherwise these profit-driven merchants will never know they also have to pay for their dishonesty and  irresponsible behaviour.
Reply rich 2011-6-5 07:49
sunnyv: Kind of unhappy to hear that a nice and honest guy like you should suffer such injustice. I know it is not easy to deal with those irresponsible peopl
i'm ok and i think i can hold on. actually i'm prepared for any possible results. just face it calmly and do what i can do. if i still can not get the desired result, i will never "break down" or whatever. everything has two sides, as the saying goes. yes i have suffer some loss and have gone through a difficult time, on the other hand, i also gain some valuable life experience: how to deal with all these bureaucrats, how to safeguard our interests and rights in a more clever way, how to avoid similar incidents. it is a great lesson for me. maybe sometimes we have to pay for this kind of lesson. anyway i will take it as an useful practice in life.
one problem i have is that i am unable to reach the top administrators of the company, which is in Dongguan Guangdong (广东 东莞 ). i am always told by the telephone operator of the factory to contact the sales manager for zhejiang area, who never takes it seriously. i wonder if you can get the phone number of the general manager or anyone in charge. don't bother if it is beyond your power.
Reply sunnyv 2011-6-5 09:28
Glad to note that you are tackling the matter in a calm manner. Hope you will achieve the desired results.

I belive the factory you are referring to is;
The Guang Dong Marco Polo Ceramics Co.,Ltd
Tangxia Ind. Zone, Gaobu Town, Guangdong Dongguan, Guangdong 523281. Tel: 769 88463218.

OK I am in contact with the factory in Dongguan to obtain the phone numbers of the the top management and directorate. I would  let you have those numbers in due course.

Have a nice Dragon Boat Festival holiday. Cheers.
Reply bluebird 2011-6-5 10:33
rich: exactly! i know these things are, in some way, unavoidable. and our social economic system is far from satisfactory. but we still need to do something
Right. We're not silent sheep to be slaughtered.
Reply rich 2011-6-5 10:34
sunnyv: Glad to note that you are tackling the matter in a calm manner. Hope you will achieve the desired results.

I belive the factory you are referring to
thank you so much!!. yes that IS the factory. the phone number they gave me is 0769 8846 3218. which is also available online. but i was always told to contact the representative in our province.
i'm currently thinking of a new strategy: i will not insist on being given an explanation, but practically i will ask them to compensate me for the material, the labor etc, for i'm going to remove it and lay new tiles. that is, all the cost i'll have to pay for the new project. and then see what they reply. do you think it too much or reasonable?
some of my colleagus said even if they know clearly there are quality problems, they will never admit it. it would be a disgrace or a thing that would damage their image or lose their face.
Reply sunnyv 2011-6-5 11:04
Yes, that is the way to do it. First determine the fault and ask for an explanation. Once they admit the manufacturing fault, you can work up from there. It is a universal rule that if a merchant sells something faulty without the consumer's knowledge, the merchant is responsible for all losses and damages. I know in China the consumer protection sytem is weak and quite often the merchants don't even bother to attend to the complaint.

However, this is a famous brand company and any company relying on reputation would not want their name to be affected by legitimate complaints. They should be more worried than you.

Just try your best to preserve the evidence, press for inquiry and validation of your complaint, then press for compensation through the channels available to you.
Reply rich 2011-6-5 20:33
bluephoebe: Poor Rich. I totally understand what he must feel now: indignant and frustration. Since I just went through home decoration and I know what a demandin
i know you are just going through home decoration. so i'd like to give you a word of advice: for something that has to last for a long time, it would be wise to choose the things that many people have used and proved to be of good quality. it is kind of foolproof. following the crowd sometimes is a good idea. secondly, once you moved in, i suggest you pay attention to the condition of all these newl stuff: to see if there are any abnormal signs, if any, deal with it immediately. the industrial and commercial bureau (315)will not accept complaints later than one year. though there're other means.
thirdly all the receipts should be kept just in case.
Reply rich 2011-6-10 21:54
sunnyv: Yes, that is the way to do it. First determine the fault and ask for an explanation. Once they admit the manufacturing fault, you can work up from the
Dear Sunny, thank you for all the help you did for me.
today the sales agent and the manager in charge of the sales in zhejiang area came to my house. to my surprise, after looking at the tiles, this time their attitude and behaviour changed dramatically. first they admit there exists quality problem with the tiles. second they apologized to me for the trouble they caused. third they offered to re-lay the tiles for me, that is they are willing to pay for all the expenses including labor and the new tiles.
frankly i was surprised so much that i couldn't believe my ears. did you ever help me do something? looks like things begin to change for the better. i thanked them and said i will consider their offer. i need your advice: what do you think of their offer? should i accept it? if everything goes as they said, the only problem will be the possble damage to the house and the inconvenience while the work is being done. if they do the job well, i might ignore it. what do you think? waiting for your reply.
Reply sunnyv 2011-6-10 22:31
rich: Dear Sunny, thank you for all the help you did for me.
today the sales agent and the manager in charge of the sales in zhejiang area came to my house.
Hi Rich. I have been in contact with the management officials of the factory. At first, they were of the opinion that I am on the international trading sector while your case belongs to the local deparment level. I insisted that we are seriously concerned about trust in the quality of Marco Polo tiles and that you are my acquaintace, therefore, my company has the moral and commerical responsibilty to intervene and ensure that the matter is dealt with in a satisfactory and responsbile manner. I also told them that I would take the matter futher, should they fail to settle the matter amicably. Eventually, they agreed that they would follow up the matter and ensure that the needful be done.

I am glad to note that they have finally agreed to replace the tiles for you without charge as demanded.

I think you should accept their offer to replace the tiles, but, you have to ensure that they will not charge you for it and also that the works would be carried out properly. As you probably know, replacing tiles while you have already moved in is a tricky task. You will have to do a lot of furniture shuffling. It has to be done anyway because I don't think you can stand those old tiles in the state they are in now. You should know that dealers in China would not normally take your complaint seriously, therfore, have it done before they find other excuses to avoid responsibilty.

For your information, my company is International Trading Inc, headquartered in Hong Kong with branches in Miami, Las Vegas and Santiago-Chile.

Hope everything goes well.
Cheers
Sunny.
Reply rich 2011-6-11 21:11
sunnyv: Hi Rich. I have been in contact with the management officials of the factory. At first, they were of the opinion that I am on the international tradin
Hi Sunny, frankly i really don't know how i can thank you enough. no wonder they changed so abruptly. however, it is just a beginning. we have not reached a formal agreement. they might find othe excuses, as you said, and the title-replacing work is tricky, indeed. furniture has to be moved and at least one of us has to be present. but i think this is something i have to go through, despite the trouble and inconvenience.
wow! your company sounds big and impressive. so you have business connnections with that company? wishing you good luck with your business!  Rich.
Reply sunnyv 2011-6-11 22:04
rich: Hi Sunny, frankly i really don't know how i can thank you enough. no wonder they changed so abruptly. however, it is just a beginning. we have not rea
Hi Rich. There is a condition that I should stop all public complaints about their products via your case, especially through overseas channels, while they deal with the matter and arrange restitution or replace the tiles for you. I think that if possible, you better finalize the arrangements with them to replace the tiles quickly. I have met some of the senior managers of the company at an exhibition overseas about 1 year ago.

My company exports China manufactured products to USA and South America. The overseas branches are managed by my relatives and we enjoy stable in-house trading business without having to rely too much on customers. April and May are my most free months. The months ahead would be quite busy. Running a business is full of challenges and risks, and touch wood, so far things have been going quite well. Thanks for your well wishes.
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