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Chinese hospitality can be horrible!

2332 views. 2011-1-26 10:53

Recently i was kindly invited to dinner parties for one reason or another . It's a good chance to enjoy a wonderful meal as well as enhance interpersonal understanding and friendships and possibly get some grapevine news.

However, some people are just too hospitable. They would first try to persuade you to have liquor or wine, then persistently urge you to drink again and again regardless of your health condition and how much you actually can drink. You are in a complete dilemma: If you refuse, they would say you are not acting as a friend is supposed to; if you do as they request, you'll be bound to suffer. In my case, it means I'll be tossing and turning in bed, or staring into the darkness, unable to go to sleep until some light comes through the window, for my sensitive stomach would always revenge!

I admit it's common practice and they generally have no mean intentions; probably they just want to show their hospitality or enthusiasm. But they do make us do things which we otherwise would never do; it's just against our will! In both Chinese and Western cultures there's a similar proverb: Do as you would be done by. So i should say it's bad and not morally healthy and should not be encouraged. Sometimes we have to stand up and speak out against it. Let's join efforts and say No loudly and firmly to this ugly bad custom!

Post comment Comment (28 replies)

Reply davidhuang 2011-1-26 11:09
great mind think alike!
Reply crystalgirl 2011-1-26 11:27
i dislike the awkward behaviour deeply. one time just because of the insistent persuasion from the host i became drunken and felt terrible,which made me feel embarassed long time. i hate drinking much alcohol. i don't like my lover drinking much.
Reply rich 2011-1-26 11:31
davidhuang: great mind think alike!
hehe, glad we have the same opinion. we do need to stand up and do what we should do.  social customs can be horrible, even ugly.
Reply rich 2011-1-26 11:37
crystalgirl: i dislike the awkward behaviour deeply. one time just because of the insistent persuasion from the host i became drunken and felt terrible,which made
poor you! i know how you feel, and you have my full support. a little  wine can be good but even a bit too much could be terrible. so i believe we should set a bottom line.
Reply davidhuang 2011-1-26 11:40
rich: hehe, glad we have the same opinion. we do need to stand up and do what we should do.  social customs can be horrible, even ugly.
You are right but i think it is so hard to change this climate. maybe the solution is the saying " when in rome do as the romans do"
Reply rich 2011-1-26 12:49
davidhuang: You are right but i think it is so hard to change this climate. maybe the solution is the saying " when in rome do as the romans do"
it all depends on your health condition and what kind of person you are. for me i just tell them the truth, honestly and sincerely. i believe most people are reasonable or at least can be convinced of the possible harm or even danger they are imposing on us.
Reply sunnyv 2011-1-26 12:50
The biggest worry is liquor addiction. Easy to get addicted but very hard to get out of it. You only meet those people occasionally but you could ruin your whole life. I know because my father was addicted to wine and often get drunk.
Reply rich 2011-1-26 12:55
sunnyv: The biggest worry is liquor addiction. Easy to get addicted but very hard to get out of it. You only meet those people occasionally but you could ruin
i cannot agree with you more. we do need to get rid of some bad customs. do you have a similar tradition back home? do people try to persuade you to drink more and more?
Reply sunnyv 2011-1-26 14:21
rich: i cannot agree with you more. we do need to get rid of some bad customs. do you have a similar tradition back home? do people try to persuade you to d
I am living in China and do business here in China. I do not drink or smoke because I am terrified that I would pick up this habit.  Natuarally, there are lots of dinner invitations and social functions. Most of the times, I am obliged to drink a glass of wine, the followed by another and another until I have go to the bathroom and vomit. The pressure is immense especially when you are with high ranking or influential people. They would frown and accuse you of not respecting them if you refuse to drink and when you can't drink enough, they say you are not sociable.  I also have lots of cigarettes which are gifts from them. They would also expect me to bring famous brands French wine when I meet them. I enjoy friendly meetings but this custom spoiled everything. In western countries, nobody would force you to drink and people only drink wine on special celebration occasions in reasonable portions. Everyone should do something to discourage excessive drinking in China. Chinese culture is great so don't let this spoil it.
Reply rich 2011-1-26 15:55
sunnyv: I am living in China and do business here in China. I do not drink or smoke because I am terrified that I would pick up this habit.  Natuarally, there
thank you for telling me your social experiences in china. being hospitable is nothing bad, but anything excessive should be avoided. i feel bad to know that you are sometimes forced to drink by chinese people. you have my sympathy. yes you are right that we should do something to discourage people from doing this.
Reply sunnyv 2011-1-26 18:11
rich: thank you for telling me your social experiences in china. being hospitable is nothing bad, but anything excessive should be avoided. i feel bad to kn
Rich - You have a clear and sound mind. Established customs are really hard to change and those customs are fine from thier point of view. No dinner is complete without wine. Don't worry about my unpleasant experience on being forced to drink. I know it is a old customs and can't be changed easily. As they say "enter the village, follow the tradition". Thanks for sharing your experience so that we can handle it better.
Reply highfive 2011-1-26 19:29
when I first read about this title, I thought you're gonna talk about Chinese overwhelming hospitality towards foreigners.  cuz one of my friends from England used to say that, when he was travelling in the famous cities in China, he was very impressed with the friendliness of Chinese people. in fact, he said sometimes the Chinese are overfriendly and cross the lines of individual comfort or privacy.  

I guess this is also the case with your encounters. sometimes the hospitality is way more than enough to the point that it infringes other people's free will and intrudes their comfort zone.  it becomes a powerful yet unnessassary force coarcing others to abide by their own rules.  if not, they would accuse you of being unreciprocal or unkind.  

I agree with every word you wrote. cuz my homwtown is in northeasten China, so you could imagine what I've been through all these years, lol.  and believe me, I've seen way too many ugly scenes of forcing each other to drink until everyone collapses under the table.  I resent it so much since my childhood.

my dad taught me to drink wine and beers when i was very young.   and every festival or family get-together, I had to drink with all the relatives as a gesture of intimacy and celebration although I was reluctant to.  gosh, how many brain cells of mine have been killed by the bloody alcohol!

now that I'm grown up, I've been extremely determined to refuse the drinks every time I returned home.   they felt that I've changed and become aloof.   but I'm just grown up enough to make my own decisions without others' manipulation.  and I dont care what they'd think of me cuz their behavior is wrong and inconsiderate, not mine.  hands down!   I only drink when I'm really in the mood for it.  otherwise, I'd be so stubborn about it that sometimes I think my dad, uncles and cousins really hate that side of me.  

tracing back to the cultural root and sociological perspective, I think the problem generates from the difference between cultural relativism and enthnocentrism.  cuz people should realize that one's own customs and cultures are just relative to others, and they are not the absolute or universial rules for everyone.   every territory has its own unique cultural tradition and social protocol, and they are not nessassarily suitable for others.

as opposed to cultural relativism,  those people holding the self-centered view of enthnocentrism are like dictators and perceive everything only from their own standpoint without mutual respect or the understanding of diversity.  they think their principles are the only, the ultimate and the best standards for the whole world, which is utterly wrong and so narrow-minded.
good luck to you on the dinner parties that you are gonna attend.
Reply Martina 2011-1-27 10:47
evryone just comment so much here, but this is like a situation that we girls are survived, we needn't drink wine on these parties or gatherings. health is the most important, so take care of yourselves.
Reply rich 2011-1-27 12:02
sunnyv: Rich - You have a clear and sound mind. Established customs are really hard to change and those customs are fine from thier point of view. No dinner i
it's been very nice to exchange ideas with you here. i can see that you, though not having been in china very long, actually know a lot about our culture. yes people seem to have this established conception that no dinner is complete without wine. however, i do hope it will be a pleasant dinner for everyone. how wise Confucious was when he said: 己所不欲勿施于人, which literally means never do anything to others that you hope others will not do to you. since he could realize this more than 2 thousand years ago, why can't we today?
Reply rich 2011-1-27 12:58
highfive: when I first read about this title, I thought you're gonna talk about Chinese overwhelming hospitality towards foreigners.  cuz one of my friends from
i just cannot agree with more. i also had similar experiences with foreigners. they were actually astonished and a bit uncomfortable when they were treated like a king or queen here in china. on the other hand, when some of my friends went to the US, and wasn't treated as much as they expected, they were a little disappointed, though they knew they were in a different culture.
i hear people in your area are good at drinking, and i guess partly because of the cold weather. however, excessive drinking is bad and should not be encouraged, anyway. actually here in the south the ugly scenes you mentioned are all too often. some people just drink themselves stupid until everyone lies under the table, vomiting and making a fool of themselves.
i believe you did the right thing when you turned down irrational offers of drinks. in our society we have too much so-called obligation between people. we do need to compromise a little as we are all humans with feelings, but should never allow it to blind our sense.
i hope with more contact and exchange between different nations, things might change for the better. it takes time for one to have an open mind if he/she remains in just one country. how is it possible to look at things from different perspectives? as the famous saying goes, looking at the sky from the bottom of a well.
wishing all the best in the new year and hope your dinner parties will be pleasant ones. :-)
Reply rich 2011-1-27 14:39
Martina: evryone just comment so much here, but this is like a situation that we girls are survived, we needn't drink wine on these parties or gatherings. heal
hehe,  girls do have some advantages in some aspects of life. however, in some cases, you gals cannot be excluded, either. :-) just several days ago i saw a drunken woman who made a fool of heself by making a scene in public. yes you are right. we do need to have a healthy lifestyle.  happy new year!
Reply Martina 2011-1-27 14:41
rich: hehe,  girls do have some advantages in some aspects of life. however, in some cases, you gals cannot be excluded, either. :-) just several days ago i
Happy Spring Festival
Reply bluebird 2011-1-27 17:02
Sometimes Chinese hospitality goes out of senses. I think true friendliness comes first from respect.
Reply rich 2011-1-27 17:23
bluebird: Sometimes Chinese hospitality goes out of senses. I think true friendliness comes first from respect.
i totally agree with you. one of the reasons why we chinese become irrational is that we put feelings first, even controlled by feelings or rather obligation. what's friendship? if you cannot respect others' wishes, how it can be called friendship? let's just pull together. it is hard to change, but at least we can make a difference, more or less.
Reply highfive 2011-1-27 20:11
rich: i just cannot agree with more. i also had similar experiences with foreigners. they were actually astonished and a bit uncomfortable when they were tr
exactly! Chinese and Westerners have different measurements and standards for "friendliness", just as you described, when they come here, they feel we are overfiriendly. when we go there, we feel their friendliness is less than expected. cuz we are judging the other side of the world with our own rules.
you are right, sometimes a little bit comprimise without violating our principles won't hurt either.
yep, one of my teachers used to say that with eastern culture and logics, we've only got half brains, only combined with western ones, then we can have a complete mind.  cuz with the learning of western culture, we could actually jump out of the box of our own, make cross-cultural comparisons, and eventually gain a even deeper understanding of eastern culture.  
Im not going home this spring festival, so the ugly scenes back home would have nothing to do with me. but thanks anyway!
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